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Dave Moore's avatar

Aw man, can't believe I didn't have MUSHROCK theory when I was writing about windowpane. (I did call it "mush" though.)

I've been tempted to reference the tedious online discourse around terms like neoliberalism, but this was mostly just an alarm bell to stay away from the conversation altogether. "Tedious online discourse" is really the operative phrase -- some topics just turn into this when they get caught up in a certain social media engine, like the monsterverse for bad faith incomprehension among people who think that when *they* form mobs it's a "conversation."

I think your paths forward are probably better than anything that's come out of these various essays and threads and etc. But I worry about making popularity anything but an occasionally enlightening (mostly for "color") variable in how I think about music. For me, accounts of popularity comprise one of many signals for my attention, usually not much better than more random ones. (Fwiw, I suspect that this accounting has gotten better and more reliable in the streaming era, and that most people that don't like it simply don't like what other people actually listen to. But I don't think "what other people are listening to" often gives me a ton of actionable information on whether something's going to be any good. It's not zero, it's just not always worth the squeeze.)

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Brad, been meaning to email you a link to my Duncan J. Watts/cumulative advantage piece, so here it is.* I can imagine making an argument *against* Watts's experiment: not against his methodology, but against its *really* applying to the broader world and the broad popular music world, since maybe there just weren't any great songs in his sample. Nonetheless I've decided to take his results as absolute gospel, because they're more challenging that way -- though at the same time I don't quite know what to *do* with the results, other than to say, "luck is WAY more important a factor than is realized." --But how *much* more? In many circumstances one can quantify *chance* (coin flips, lotteries, and such), but the chance of any *particular* fame event (Hitler being born, the Sex Pistols appearing on Grundy, "Yummy Yummy Yummy" getting airplay) are vanishingly small.**

https://lasvegasweekly.com/news/archive/2007/oct/04/the-rules-of-the-game-no-18-the-social-butterfly-e

*As always when I link things, I don't assume or expect that people have time to read them; they're just there if you want them.

**We could say, "The chances of an intelligent species arriving at something like quantum mechanics is huge," though maybe not -- maybe other intelligent species just end up talking about different things, and maybe here on earth there are whole areas of physics that are potentially interesting but that no one has bothered to develop. (I don't know, I'm not a physicist, and to say that "quantum mechanics arose because it's more-or-less right" is vacuous: all it says is that we think "quantum mechanics" is right; the word "because" is doing no explanatory work even if we feel it does. It's not simply wrong in the way that "Giraffes evolved long necks so that they could eat leaves" is wrong, but, as I said, it's vacuous, it doesn't explain anything, and when applied to history it makes the history into bad history.)

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